Super Columbine Massacre RPG Discussion Forum

[Merrickx19]

if you take guns away from everyone but cops do you know who will have guns? Criminals with connections, the military, the police, and hmmm anyone willing to break the law.......... trust me, thats not a small pool of people, basically you're just making it illegal to own guns, not taking them away from people. Unless you want to go to all the hicks and thugs and mafia and ask them nicely... I'm sure you'll be fine

Me, I'm gonna sit here and play a demo I just downloaded for my xbox 360

[dunecoon]

i really enjoyed playing this game i could careless if it was made about columbine, donr get me wrong i feel very sorry for the victims and everything. but i was paying mor attention to the design i dont know how i came across this exactly but it was very well done you should be proud of yourself. fuck all who dispise

[guest]

[quote="columbin"](to employ a recent film analogy) some of the online community are donning Guy Fawkes masks with me and remembering the twentieth of April...[/quote]

Well, we are the drama queen, aren't we?



I think its slightly self-indulgent overall. I am still in midst of dloading game. I won't be offended by the game, cause it takes more than that to offend me.

The discussion here is generally, as the mods says, infantile.
But good points and perspectives have been laid out.

The supposed intent to start a dialogue has been achieved. But I would guess that it has been achieved at the cost of the moderator's sense of personal humility. Which he likely lost a while ago.

I have my doubts as to whether dialoguing was your real intent in creating this game. I think you were bored and wanted some attention. Not a crime, not the end of the world. But to present this fait accomplie as some kind of altruistic act on your part is silly.

I will read on, and jump back in after reading the rest of the posts in this thread.

Thanks for the fun and stimulation anyway.

If I am glib it is only because simply 'reacting' with false projections of empathy with those killed would be disingenuous on my part. I care a bit about strangers who die. Especially if they are like 'me' and less like 'other'. Otherwise, I would say that a google-billion people and sentient lifeforms have died on planet earth since its inception, and same more will die before the planet sees its own demise. Top that off by the belief that there is no afterlife for the majority (if you knew how much work it takes to extend life energetically beyond death, to essentially avoid death, after having worked for years on losing self-importance, gaining the ability to master the dream-state/2nd attention, losing this ego-driven perpetual desire to defend a worthless illusory self-image that deprives most everyone from experiencing NOW, leaves most senile by age 21, well, if you take all that into consideration, maybe you'll get to 'heaven'), and you have the point that life is ephemeral, we'll all be rotting in 100 years, and no one is more important than anyone else, cuz we're all walking around clueless in the dark, no one has a lock on beyond death/the afterlife.

We do love making hierarchies tho.

We're all equal.

I AM a know-it-all.
I know that I know close to nothing.
There's a cost to obtaining THAT little slice of knowledge.



~S~

Thanks for starting the dialogue.
Run for those dictionaries.

[Guest]

[quote="Anonymous"]I'm just wondering if anyone attacking the game can actually spell, or make an intelligent arguement? Instead of "u r blah blah stupid, gay, hell...", whatever, why not try calmly thinking about what you're saying. Also, just because someone supporting the game can use big words does not really mean for sure that they are using a thesaurus, and personally, I don't think it would hurt for some of you arguing against it to pull out a dictionary or thesaurus. Who knows, it might even help your weak arguements.

As far as the arguement of this is different than war, they were killing innocent people..... are you all so insanely naive to think that no innocent people die in war, or that it's not at the hands of you're own grandfather's, father's, brother's, sister's, mother's, and/or friend's hands? Can someone tell me how one "innocent" person's death is more meaningful or tragic that anothers. It's just that this is on a personal level, I'm guessing most of the people here are in school still.

As for the arguement that "it's just a game", or "people play games like this all the time but they're not killing people". I don't care what games you play, what tv shows or movies you watch. You are responsible for what you do, simply put, not your family, not how much money you have, or what happens to you at school. It all comes down to your personal decisions at any given moment, and that is true for people all over the world.

Everyone is entitled to their oppinion, who are you to say that it's the wrong one? Just because that oppinion is not one that your society dictates as the right one does not make it so.

Me personally, if there is a hell, I probably will be there, but personally I don't really believe in hell because according to most (if not all) religions you have to be "a part of the club" to go to heaven, regardless of whether you lead a good life or not.

Anyone here that went to Columbine at the time has more right than anyone else to put it down, and yet the only person I have seen on here having anything to do with the shooting is supporting the game...

All in all I feel bad for the families that lost children/brothers/sisters because no matter who you are, it hurts to lose someone close, which includes the parents of the two that did all the killing. (I'm not condoning or justifying anything, just merely stating that it must REALLY be shitty to be the parents of those two for so many different reasons)

respond however you want, I'll see it and respond back, but at least take the time to think about what you're saying, lest you look like a fool. Remember, it's always better to keep you're mouth shut and everyone think you a fool, than to open it and remove all doubt.[/quote]

arguement = argument

-6 points for misspelling as you chastise others for same. doof.

~S~

[Guest]

[quote="Anonymous"]stop using FUCK![/quote]

fuck using stop!

*feel free to delete this one*

[Guest]

[quote="Merrickx19"]You know, there was a town that everyone owned a gun, I don't remember what it is/was called, but you know what the rate of crime (violent or otherwise) was? FUCKING 0! You know why? No one is dumb enough to go around robbing people or shooting people if they know everyone can retaliate the same way. Not to say that fear couldn't cause a town like that to rip itself apart, but I hope you get the point.[/quote]

isn't that the same town where little johnny shot his 3-yr old sister in the abdomen cause he thought it would be fun to play with daddy's supposedly empty rifle?

living in an endless cold war is fun.

been a lot of talk of intelligence here.
here's a fun perspective:

1. dumb people are just dumb. lack energy for insight. generally disconnected body/mind.
2. cunning people can come up with plans.
3. smart people have quick minds to create inventories, good memories to regurgitate inventoried experiences with ease.
4. wise people tend to be all three of the above at diff times, and have the added ability to connect the dots in meaningful ways, and wisdom is a story with a beginning and an end.

~S~



~S~

[Guest]

[quote="Holtzer"]How brilliant!
Everyone owning a gun=zero crime!

What the hell cops are supposed to exist for?
If ZERO citizens had a gun, the crime rate could be zero as well. Look at canada. People don't even lock the door at home!
Easy gun = easy crime.[/quote]

re canada: slightly exaggerated, but true in many places.

if u have a gun, chances are, you will use a gun. If people around you have guns, you SHOULD have a gun. Its up to the legislative authorities to take them away, which they should. Why? Because people en masse are generally dumber than wood. Case in point: This forum.

~S~

[Pitt]

Not being much of a gamer since Sega was cool, I came across this site from your interview in the Denver Post. I think your heart is in the right place but you're still quite immature to assume that people will understand this. Especially people younger than you and the people that lost loved ones in that disgusting tradegy of self-serving indulgence.
Which brings me to freedom and responsibility. Maybe this is your vision of justice but it's none-the-less a comic book outlook on the world. I think I would take you a little more seriously if you were actively initiating or participating in some type of Bully-awareness program at your school or in your community.
This, to me, is an attempt to allow people to join you in vicariously killing anyone that throws a paperwad or gives them a wedgie through your game. Geeks unite and all that BS. I've been there in the real world too and I survived without having to shoot anyone. Nobody said it was easy. Shooting someone is easy - dealing with the problem head to head is what takes real balls. Turning the other cheek takes balls of steel.
So to me, you seem to be basking in the glory of your personal adgenda and hiding behind your country's constitution. I'm sure this 15 minutes feels pretty good right now, but I hope no one takes you too seriously. Like younger kids stumbling onto your game.

*Parents All Over the USA! Wake Up! Be Responsible! Don't let your child be a 5 o'clock news clitche!*

[Guest]

I am one of the guys who would have picked on pussies like you.
As a matter of fact I am over 50 & I still do it.
Some of you wierd pieces of shit just deserve it.

[Chivalry]

I would tend to agree with the sentiment that although the game might de-glorify the act on a certain level, it will be seized upon by kids who in the end want to be nothing but reactionaries. They grab on to a little knowledge "WW2 caused innocent deaths this is no different," and ride that particular banner out until they grow up. I don't think very many of you have seen much war, or real poverty. Examining our own society for hypocrisy is a good thing. But you're hitting the wrong demographic and you're putting out a message that could be potentially harmful, internet-roving kids usually don't have the life experience or mental maturity to digest what you may or may not be trying to say.

Congratulations, you've caused a stir, but making movies/media/games about events creates a biiiig responsibility to educate, and even the most intelligent ones will only be comprehended past a certain age group. Frankly, I think you've failed in educating, you've only caused a small sensation.

Its not really offensive, it just seems sort of...incomplete, slightly immature, a failed attempt. If you want to make a difference, study more, travel more, or volunteer at a soup kitchen.

2cents.

[KILL]

WHERES THE CREATOR IM GONNA ATTACK HIM/HER WHAT EVER IT IS. WAIT I KNOW WHAT IT IS. IT IS A DAMN MOTHER FUCKING BASTERED......................DIE

[coyote]

[quote]Congratulations, you've caused a stir, but making movies/media/games about events creates a biiiig responsibility to educate, and even the most intelligent ones will only be comprehended past a certain age group.[/quote]

The idea that people under a certain age need to be talked down to or shielded from reality or "educated" is what caused this whole mess in the first place. If you don't think it's obvious to an elementary school kid that reality is different than imagination, then I would doubt your qualifications to be "educating" anybody else.

Games don't kill people. Crazy people kill people.

In terms of providing historical information, I think Columbin did a great job. There's quite a lot packed in there.

[Guest]

Congratulations, KILL, you've officially come into the mindset of the two shooters. Hooray for turning into something you despise. I guess we'll see you shoot up some random person because they're wearing black, huh?

[Dante]

Aaah, there's nothing like seeing people work themselves into a frenzy and start making death threats over a game. It warms my heart to see my trust in humanity isn't misplaced...

Oh, wait.

[Chaotist Razor]

From reading this topic, I find it amusing that the ones who are the most offended about this game are the same ones who spout bullshit like "omg i hope you get shot u FUCKING ASSHOLE MURGOSJDC ALM DESLGFK" and "OMG UR GOING TO HELLELEL LOLOLOL".

Stop crying like a bunch of pussies. It's a game, nothing more, nothing less - and mouthing off with bullshit will win you no awards, just the title of "Hypocrite".

[Short bloke]

I think all yanks are cunts so this game is no suprise of the kind of fucked up drivel that comes out of such a fucked up country... fuck all you yanks...fuck you up your stoopid asses!

luv J & Silent Bill

[short bloke]

incidentally..... are there any cheat codes out for the game? weapon upgrades...etc??? Claymores would be good. Save all that running about nonsense

[confused]

So, What's this Columbine thing? Is this game any good? I likes me a bit of FPS. Is it gory?

Oh yeah, "Kill", god isn't going to let you into heaven if you keep thinking like that

[short]

columbine was where mickey mouse was born i think.... dunno what all the fuss is about

[largebloke]

If you press and hold page down, then press 2, 4, f, g, page up, page up, page up, page up, escape, a , d, tab, then press f, g, r, left arrow, right arrow, w, p, l, 3, 7, and delete all at the same time, a phospherous grenade appears in your armoury and your can fry a whole room at once! You might need a friend to help press all those buttons.

[Kidzilla]

holding down shift then pressing Y,A,N,K,S,R,S,H,I,T will get you into stealth mode

[dorkboy]

If you press start, control panel, add/remove programs, scroll to the game file and press remove... it dissappears....amazing... i cant find it anwhere now. Cool

[Largebloke]

If you go to wallmart an assult rifle and head to your nearezt high school, you can have yourself some "real feel" fun. Don't forget to buy spare rounds.

[Guest]

[quote="Tit burgler"]only a complete hypocrite would get offended by this game, there are mass produced and sold in major stores games about pearl harbor, or any ww2 game, or any action game that is based on real events for that matter. there is virtiualy NO difference between those and this game, infact the victims of the evens thats games I mention were based by counted in MILLIONS, to which Columbine shooting is an unexistantly insignificant event. Infact millions of people in other countries suffer to this day so you can get you can of coke, and you fucking pussy got your panties in a twist becasue of this game? Your a hypocrite peice of shit, why dont you pick something that matters to get mad about, and stop wasting your breath on telling us how offencive this game is and how horrible the tragety it was based of. Every day, just in this country, there are more deaths by gun fire then in the Columbine shooting, yet for some reason those deaths dont match up in significance with Columbine... Why?.[/quote]


I’m not going to call you a “hypocrite peice of shit” or a “fucking pussy” because that would only discredit my own intelligence in an argument, by using such words. I am just going to simply say, you’re wrong, clouded, and abusive of your “freedoms of speech”. First off, for sake of argument, you go tell the families of the [I]children[/I] killed that it was an “unexistantly insignificant” event, I’m sure they’ll be relieved, or rather reassured by someone who thinks ‘unexistantly’ is a word, that their children dieing is insignificant compared to everything else in the world. I’m sure they will find closure in that. Or just maybe to them it was a “tragety”.

I am going to dissect your argument one point at a time. You stated that games about WWII were on an equal scale as this.

In WWII you are either killing or portraying historically fictional characters. Not characters that were real people (15 who were killed), and a school without legal release from the administration in the school district or the families of who were murdered.[/list]

In War Games you are not senselessly killing [I]children[/I], if there were games like that, I’m talking to them as well.

The actual events of WWII were not sparked from two unstable kids playing Doom all day long, and planning out their murders in a [I]video game[/I]. Now that a video game is going to be made glorifying kids who shot their schools, what’s to say more wont do it based on this game?

Face it, it doesn’t shed light on the subject, it just opens old wounds, and glorifies senseless acts, this is never constructive.

Simple as this, I’m right, you’re wrong. No and’s if’s or but’s about it.[/list]

[Guest]

The vast majority of people who were killed at Columbine deserved what they got(I sympathize with the innocent ones).

[_Anonymous_]

[quote="Anonymous"]The vast majority of people who were killed at Columbine deserved what they got(I sympathize with the innocent ones).[/quote]

Were any of the people killed actually bullying the kids? I'm no expert on this subject and I certainly don't mean to be, but I thought it was a random shooting?

[columbin]

I don't think anyone deserves to be killed. I am opposed to captial punishment for this reason. Simple as that. Many of the victims never knew Eric or Dylan personally and the shooters did NOT have a specific list of targets; their goal was random malevolent destruction.

[Guest]

Umm... The went after people who had tormented and teased them in high school, I guess I shouldn't they were justified(the shooters), cause they weren't but I can't say I have any piety for the guilty ones or they're familes.

[_Anonymous_]

[quote="Anonymous"]Umm... The went after people who had tormented and teased them in high school, I guess I shouldn't they were justified(the shooters), cause they weren't but I can't say I have any piety for the guilty ones or they're familes.[/quote]
I don't know about you, but i'd rather be teased through highschool then shot up.

And I'm pretty sure they killed more than just the people who teased them.
Correct me if I'm wrong. (Which I may very well be, as I said im no expert)

[Fairn]

Hey columbin, just wanted to say that I am truly intigued by this. I wasn't into watching news when the shooting happened and I really don't feel like watching a movie with Michael Moore so this will give me a nice start to learning about some true history.

Now some of you guests have brought up a very striking issue, respect. Well, I think I have a very easy solution for this: My Mentor and good friend used to live in Las Vegas. She had a friend who died on the plane that crashed in Pennsylvania. My friend told me this once and I respect her by letting her be the one to bring up the subject. Now, that movie about 9-11 is/has come out, I'm going to respect her by not bringing up that subject. I avoid offending her and if she wants to talk about it, she'll do so when she's ready.

So if you feel there's a respect issue with this game, realize when the subject of this game is appropriate. If your friend was involved in the shooting, don't start telling him/her that some bastard made a game that totally degrates those innocents involved, because odds are, you're offending that friend.

Cheers.

[A guest]

A lot of people are stating that this game glorifies the killers. It's worse than that. It's trivialising the whole tragedy. Games are a frivolous past-time and not intended to be taken seriously. The argument that WW2 games or other games dealing with violence being no better holds no water. The scenarios presented in those game may be historically based but they do not deal in specifics. More importantly the mechanics of the world ensure that it's pure fantasy. Last time I checked in the real world a quick swig from a health pack didn't revive a victim of a mortar attack nor did hitting F9 bring me back to just before I died.

That's the crucial difference. Violence in most video games does not deal with reality. It deals with a made to order version of reality. Common sense and social responsibility are what keep most video games in the realms of fantasy.

There is no suspension of dibelief in SCM. SCM is dealing with a very real tragedy and incorporates actual scenes of the massacre which is simply an appeal to the ogrish and voyeuristic nature of people.

There's a lot of talk about free speech. There's not enough talk about what is socially acceptable. Like it or not this game is causing real hurt in people who suffered as a result of the Columbine massacre. And the flimsy responses on this forum to bolster this bullshit "moral" argument only compound the misery further. That fact alone should be reason enough not to release this game.

At the end of the day it's just a tasteless prank.

[columbin]

Social acceptability is a rather blurry line... and one that deserves to be pushed and examined and challenged. Once it was socially unacceptable for blacks to own property. Once it was socially unacceptable for women to vote. Times change. Maybe someday it won't BE socially unacceptable for a video game based on a specific, controversial subject to exist.

I'm glad you take my arguments seriously as I do the same for yours. We don't agree, however, and thus the dialectic continues.

[kasjgfrtddm]

Guns don't kill people , people kill people.

Marilyn Manson , this game and so many games,movies,music and literature don't kill people, people kill people.

Anyone who plays this game or any other game and goes out and decideds to kill innocent people probably had alot of things going on in thier life that were alot more likely to push them over that edge.

I believe people should have the right to voice thier opinion.
Not everyone has the same opinion , some believe one thing is Good/Entertaining while others think its Bad/Offensive , so who is right?

NEITHER.

This game isn't hurting anyone and sure as hell isn't going to make anyone go out and kill people... it might make them want to go out and kill people... but lets say these so called offensive games,music,etc didn't exsist wouldn't the next time someone pissed them off or insulted them or did anything they didn't like make them want to feel like killing someone?

[Guest]

[quote="Guest"]Well, at first I thought it was very wrong. I beleive that violence should stay only in video games, and the idea of making a columbine shooting game would seem in between the lines. It could've gone with all the gloomy poetry too, even though it emphasizes the storyline. It wasn't until they died and went to hell that I was pleasantly surprised. I thought it was funny, they started fighting demons from doom in hell! It was at that point that I thought "Wow, this game really rocks!". The brass knuckles, the weapons, the soldiers, the cyberdemon...ah it just brings back memories! I used to play doom all the time and I can tell you, you revived it. I was so hooked on game.
So I was fixing to ask you, are you going to make a sequel to this fine epoch?[/quote]

SPOILER WARNING

[Gano]

I'm gonna keep an eye on this forum, the flamers are entertaining as hell.
The games a little creepy because of what its based on, but I won't deny its very well made, good job.

[largebloke]

those kids didnt deserve to be killed. simple as that! but they were and some others will want to enjoy that. like the geezer that made the game. he's having fun so obviously enjoys thinking about the dead kids, or at least the killing of them, or maybe gets off thinking about the pair of sad acts that killed them. some people do deserve to be killedn tho.. mostly blokes with big bushy beards and fat wives in ninja outfits. when's the game coming that everyone will like? islamamayhem II???? bring em on!!!

[Machismo]

This game was something that needed to be made. Why should someone be able to write a book on Columbine and make money on it, while a video game is taboo?

I think I 'get' this game. Hopefully, it might teach some folks about the consequences of their treatments of others, the role of parents, and the responsibility of every individual to themselves and to all people.

[Guest]

I think that you (the creator) definetly has some messed up ideas in your head. I just read a news paper article about you and you found the killers to be "very thoughtful, sensitive and intelligent yound men." I'd like to know in what way these kids were those things... Killing innocent people is in no was <b> thoughtful </b>. Society has a wierd way of coping with tramatic situations. First everyone's upset then some how it's turns into finding a way to make a profit off or joke out of other people's miseries. But... hey it's a free contry.

[Guest]

The familys should sue the fuck out on the makers of this game.

[MasterOfTheNight]

I think this game is a lot like any other. People look for the most realistic blood spatters in games and thats usually their type of selling point. As for all the flamebait losers out there who don't know anything about the situation but think you do, get educated, don't encourage others to shoot more...

Ultimately comes down to this, He has the right to make this video game under the law and if you don't like it, contact your politcal rep and get something done about it. Otherwise there is no recourse and swearing at people only gives the game more free publicity. (I know I enjoy reading all the pointless flameabit)

Take 5 min, cool off and THINK about this....

[Cheeseman]

Lol.. CNN has brought quite some people to this site... and unlike others I'm not afraid of speaking my opinions... using "guest" as a name but instead i used something im known as...

Anyway... the shooting.. surely isn't a good thing but because the author chose this event to create a game on, it does shows hes got a respect for what happened. If anyone was to say the creator was an ass or shit like that because he made this game which made fun of it.. what about the creators of the war games... Do they think of those wars as a joke?.. Hopefully not..

I've also got a question. People who were pissed by this game, is it because you think the creator is a jerk for making fun of this tragedy, or because YOU are a coward at being open to this topic. You're afraid because this happened in your country. Even in the point of view of victims of the tradegy, I don't think they were mentioned in the game which allows them anonymousity.

Try playing the game before actually saying something. Yea, it's a GAME for satan's sake. Play before actually voicing your opinions. Just because the name of it was Columbine, you chose to reject it before knowing about it. Play it like the first time you played your CS, Unreal, or Quake... Play it first without thinking how much you disagree with the author of the game and enjoy it as a GAME.

Lastly, Just for some people out there, quit being a pussy and put a name or an identity instead of "GUEST"... LMAO... And calling the author a hypocrite or penisless beast is just GAY. Stick to your opinions and facts than your childish display of yourself. You've lost the arguement ever since you started swearing because that's all your opinion is limited to.

PERIOD.

[Guest]

HAHAHAHAHA. You've got Doraemon in the character sheets, this game now makes me happy.

[Gano]

^^^ me.

And I'm curious. What could the parents sue the creators for? Its not like they're child killed at Columbine was named "Preppy Boy"

[on_one]

I think the real reason some people are upset about this game isn't because it's based on a real event. (I think the makers and supporters of this game have made a valid point with all the war games) In war (mostly) the Americans dying are military personnel who volunteered to serve, they did their time in high school, left the parents home, etc.

The victims of Columbine didn't volunteer for this, they were in school not war. This event strikes at a deep fear in all parents, no one wants to out live their children. Soldiers are trained and equipped to defend themselves, these kids were slaughtered with no chance at defending themselves.

Just a thought.

[Guestism]

http://www.eatsushi.org/comments.php?id=181 someones hosting it

[the_beard]

In the Discussion Forum, "Columbin," the game's developer, says that "social acceptability is a rather blurry line... and one that deserves to be pushed and examined and challenged. Once it was socially unacceptable for blacks to own property. Once it was socially unacceptable for women to vote. Times change. Maybe someday it won't BE socially unacceptable for a video game based on a specific, controversial subject to exist."
I think it's absurd to compare civil rights to violent video games. This game is considered unacceptable because most of us view the acts of Klebold and Harris as unacceptable, horrible.
Unfortunately, many of us have become desensitized to the graphic and vile images of sex and violence that are printed and broadcast everyday, so I think it's reasonable to suggest that one day, probably not in our lifetime, these kinds of games will be considered not unacceptable, but passe.
After all, games like Grand Theft Auto make killing people "fun" and "cool." In the game Playboy: The Mansion, you "build the Playboy Mansion and magazine into a cultural icon and a powerful brand." Wow, ojectifying women has never been so much fun!
I could go on and on but my point is, maybe we shouldn't tolerate the movies, music and video games that plague our society now. I don't mean to absolve "Columbin" from any wrongdoing, but at least his game is free (and, of course, protected by the First Amendment). The publishers of the above mentioned games have made millions from their trivialization of violence and objectification of women.
I know I might sound self-righteous (and I apologize for that) but I'm alarmed by what passes as "entertainment" today. And the fact that young people have access to this material is frightening.

mc (as I collect my soapbox and exit stage right)

[guest]

There is exactly zero difference between drafted soldiers and civilians except for draftees being forced to take a much higher risk and experience a much larger number of attrocities than the civilian populace.

The vietnam war was a tragedy so many orders of magnitude larger than columbine or even 9/11 that it's completely retarded to even begin to compare them. If a response proportional to the one US made in regards to 9/11, was made by the world against the US for even just the vietnam war the country would be a smoldering pile of ash.

At least 150 000 US vietnam veterans have commited suicide to date. More than died or were listed as MIA during the war.

Unexploded ordnance and land mines has killed at least 40 000 innocents so far. About 20 million south vietnamese civilians where displaced. The number of vietnamese CIVILIANS killed during the vietnam war has been guessed at from anywhere between 1 million to 3 million; that's comparable to the number of north vietnamese soldiers and guerilla killed in the war. It was not even uncommon for US soldiers to be so fucked up in the head as to purposely shoot what may well be innocent civilians, My Lai was not remotely an accident or a freak occurence.

Not to mention using napalm somewhat indescriminately and deforresting huge swaths of land using a substance containing large amounts of toxic and carcinogen PCB.

If making a columbine game is to trivialize the columbine massacre, then just what the fuck do you call a vietnam game that depicts nameless soldiers fighting a clean war against what is often depicted as "evil people".

The whole fucking point of a good war movie is to evoke the emotions felt by the people who were really there. To show the attrocities, conflict and tragedies. It's a study into human nature. It is NOT generally intended as an endorsement for war.

[Tim Nice]

Honestly, this game is a crazy way of bringing up a topic of conversation that needs to be discussed. I definitly sympathsize with family and friends of people who were injured or worse at Columbine. That is a terrible trajedy... I know a lot of innocent people were hurt as an outcome of this situation... However, I also understand the anguish of being an outcast, espically in High School. How many of us know the jerks who picked on people day in and day out because either a: they didn't know how to interact with others in a civilized matter or b: as a way to boost their own self confidence. More than the kids, if I had to blame anyone, I would blame the parents. On both sides of the coin... people are different and different is good. Diversity is good we can learn from other cultures. History reapeats itself, but we never seem to learn from the past... Even this forum proves it, rather than having a conversation, listening and replying... people are reduced to name calling... if you want someone to understand your point of view, you need to understand the other side. I'm not saying that you have to agreee with it necessarily, but you can't ask someone for undestanding, if you don't offer any yourself....

[Master Killa]

So who wants to make this into an oblivion mod? Lets start the modeling asap!!!

[XZCv]

look at this link
http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/columbine-super-massacre-rpg/columbine-victim-talks-about-columbine-rpg-_.php

go there and drown in your mistakes bitch