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[MnM]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUg7G3CPos0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-45xJl_mhE (note- for an extra humorous bonus, listen to this song while reading this topic!)

Hey, I suggested this topic and decided to make it. This topic is about all the different girls Eric was romantically connected to, even remotely. (which generally is "remotely", he never had much real luck) The purpose of it is to try and dissect Dave Cullen's analysis of Eric as a pimp who was very popular with the ladies.



1. I'll get started with the most famous one- famous now especially because of her portrayal by Dave Cullen- Brenda Parker.

http://columbinegame.com/discuss/viewtopic.php?t=1711&highlight=brenda


There's really not much to say about her other than that she was a crazy chick with serial killer fever that made up lots of stories- most notably a Denver news article portraying her and Eric as romantically and sexually involved.

It's likely this description- Eric being so smooth and studly that he nabs a girl 7 years his senior- that led to Cullen's analysis of him as a player, since not many high school kids could score with a girl that much older than them.... which is odd since most high school and workplace shooters tend to be losers in the love department. For more information just look her up on this board's search engine, her stories have been dissected numerous times.
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2. Tiffany Typher – Went to homecoming with Eric freshman year (’95). When she refused him anymore dates, he and some friends staged a fake suicide for her benefit, where Eric pretended to bash his head in with a rock. This was said to be overly theatrical and not to be taken serious.

3. Valerie Lage – Apparently dated Eric in 1996.

4. Sasha Jacobs – Dated Eric from late ’97 to early ’98. Says he hated life and envied his older brother. When they broke up she received threats by email, which stopped when she changed her screen name. He wrote about her in Chad Laughlin’s 1998 yearbook, saying, “Sasha is a fat trendy whiney annoying terd and I went out w/ her cause I felt sorry for her I guess. Oh well. I bet you'll show her this." (pg 960 on the 11k). She went to Littleton High School, not Columbine, so grade is unknown.

5. Michelle LNU – Met Eric at a soccer game in the summer of 1998; hung out with him three times, including a date at Eliches that may have included Nate and Dylan. He wasn’t her type, she described him as weird, not personable, not very talkative, and maybe “a little evil.” She decided to stop answering his phone calls and he called her house and pager repeatedly for the next three weeks before suddenly ceasing. (Note: I heard her referred to as Michelle by someone on another board, but cannot confirm this myself.)

6. Jen LNU – Worked at Tortilla Wraps with Eric summer of 1998. She was a year older than him and heading off to CSU. He was interested in her and wrote her a letter describing how much he’d like to spend time with her and talk. An AOL instant message conversation with her also appears in the Columbine Documents. Nothing ever came of this.

7. Katie Thompson – Went out with Eric once in early 1999, but her mother put a stop to it because he was too old (he was a senior, she was a freshman). He took her and some of her friends out for lunch about two weeks before the attack. Asked her to Prom but her mom wouldn’t let her go. She said he was weird and not her type.

8. Kim Carlin – Worked at Blackjack’s with Eric. They were both seniors. He apparently had a crush on her, but nothing came of it. She may be the girl he fantasizes about in one journal entry, when he refers to a girl "who I wanted to just fuck like hell, she made me practically drool, when she wore those shorts to work.. instant hard on. I couldnt stop staring."

9. Megan Minger – Eric wanted to date her because she had a Rammstein sticker on her car. He left a note on her car with his number, asking her to call him. He asked her repeatedly if he was ever going to call him, but she never did.

10. Tanya Worlock – Worked at Great Clips with Susan DeWitt; Eric asked her out about 10 times and was always nice about it, but wouldn’t take no for an answer even though she repeatedly turned him down.

11. Megan Lebsack – Also worked at Great Clips and was asked out by Eric, but she turned him down.

12. Brandi Tinklenberg - Transferred to Columbine and was in Eric’s Video Production class. She was a junior when he was a senior. Infamous blonde on the ‘Eric in Columbine’ video. Also seen in the short kidnapping/murder mystery clip, where Eric pretends to strangle her. Eric asked her to Prom (via another girl in their class), but she turned him down because she didn’t feel like going. He appeared hurt and didn’t talk to her after that.

13. Sabrina Cooley – Eric asked her to Prom after Brandi turned him down, but she, too, turned him down. Apparently she embarrassed him in front of the whole class. She was a senior.

14. Susan DeWitt – Worked at Great Clips near Blackjacks and was Eric’s last date. He asked her out the Saturday before the attack and they spent Prom night watching Event Horizon; apparently he only kissed her on the cheek when she departed. She was a junior at the time.

15. Kristi Epling - Dating Nate at the time of the attack. Apparently had a crush on Eric at some point, but he was not interested in dating her. Nate then asked her out and after they began dating, Eric started flirting with Kristi, causing a falling out between the two friends temporarily. This was eventually mended, though Nate and Eric were not as close at the time of the shooting as they had once been.


I'll edit this if I think of any more.

[MnM]

2. I think that when she saw him- in her yard covered in fake blood- that she then yelled something like, "you guys are so stupid!" and then ran into her house and cried about it.




15. Who's the girl that "jacked him in the ass", as a friend said, when she brushed him off in the video with him spinning a cell phone?

16. Who's the girl in the gym shorts that he fantasizes about in that one disturbing journal entry where he talks about ripping a freshman apart into pieces?


As for him being "evil", I'm not sure if he really came across that way to the soccer girl at the time. However, after the massacre happened, that may have understandably made her memories remember some evil to him.

And- holy crap! I knew this guy wasn't very popular with the girls but I never realized just how incredibly unpopular he was with them!
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[MnM]

I wasn't trying to justify or defend Eric with the girl who says he was "evil." I was just saying that, as an unpopular and fairly hated nerd, I have some doubts as to whether or not he necessarily gave off "evil" vibes to the girl, but in the aftermath of the massacre maybe her mind started remembering him as being "evil" in their interactions.
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[MnM]

Is Brandi also the girl that Eric jokingly "chokes" with the nightstick? (or whatever item he was using?)
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[catslynn]

I'm just suggesting you don't take things so personally. You are NOT Eric Harris. Just because you and him were both unpopular, does not mean that one girl describing Eric as evil is not necessarily spot on just because you're not evil. You can't use the image you have of yourself to justify Eric's behavior. Why is it so odd that she sensed something "evil" about him? Sure, I agree that this was perhaps played up in her mind because of the shooting... but you know what, there WAS something "evil" about him, so if she sensed that, good on her for getting out early. Eric was not just some unpopular nerd that people misunderstood. He was sick and he went on to do horrible and evil things. Don't equate yourself with him.

[catslynn]

[MnM]

You make a good point, I'll keep it in mind.
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[MnM]

Also, Susan wrote a letter to Eric after he died.

http://columbinegame.com/discuss/viewtopic.php?t=1511&highlight=dewitt


"Eric David Harris,

I didn't know the person hiding under your smile. I didn't know about the pain you carried in your heart. I didn't know the torture you endured for so long. And I didn't want to believe you were capable of such destruction. I didn't know I could feel such pain for someone I really didn't know. If I knew what your eyes hid, and what your mind was screaming, maybe I could have helped you. I could have loved you."


Some of us (myself included) have speculated that more may have gone on during the date then she was willing to admit to the police but, that seems a little more unlikely given Eric's track record. (it's still a possibility but it seems like less of one to me now)
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[catslynn]

Yeah, I remember reading that note. It's touching, but it also comes from quite a naive place. The truth is, she didn't know Eric very well at all. She'd popped into his work from time to time to pick up pizzas, but they only hung out that one time. Maybe she felt she had some significance because she was his last date and he willed a CD to her on the Basement Tapes, but I doubt Eric particularly cared for her. Him mentioning her in the tapes was probably nothing more than him trying to seem theatrical, regretful that he couldn't share something with his girl--basically it was an attempt for him to seem less lame, as if he really had a girlfriend to bid farewell to. She was a means for him to not be alone on Prom night, and maybe one last ditch effort to get laid. We'll probably never know if he was successful, though like you said, with his track record it is unlikely. I agree that Susan probably wouldn't have said she slept with him during her interview if that was indeed true (especially since her parents were probably around), but we have no reason to believe she did.


I also went ahead edited my list to add Kristi Epling. Eric and Nate had a little falling out because of a triangle forming between them and her.

[MnM]

Damn- Eric was more of an anti-pimp than a pimp! I wonder what all those fangirls on Reb/Vodka worship sites that like Eric would think about this topic. I don't really keep up w/ any of those sites but I know they've got lots of lurkers that like studying this site since it's one of the best places for new discussions/theories/info/etc. on Columbine.



Anyway, even Dylan had better luck despite being depressed and shy- Robyn Anderson always struck me as being practically all over the guy. She was pretty cute, I totally would have gone for her if I was Dylan. And of course, we all know that Eric would have. But likely Dylan had some mysterious girl he loved from afar and that's why sweet Robyn probably didn't interest him at all. I also don't know if it was him or Eric that said it, but one of them mentioned trying to cut off their relationships with other people to make it easier to do what they were going to do.

Does Dylan even have enough girls he's connected to to warrant his own list? All I can think of is Robyn and several redacted names, along with some theories here as to who those girls were. I don't think he ever went out with anyone. Robyn practically dragged him to the dance and his parents practically paid him to go.
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[catslynn]

[acrid hominid]

[Anybody complaining of my triple play should be quiet & post more often ;p]

[MnM]

"Mr. Cullen insists that the killers enjoyed "far more friends than the average adolescent," with Harris in particular being a regular Casanova who "on the ultimate high school scorecard . . . outscored much of the football team." The author's footnotes do not reveal how he knows this; when I asked him about it while preparing this review, Mr. Cullen said he did not necessarily mean to imply that Harris was sexually active. But what else would such words mean?"


There's noooo way ANYONE could have seriously told Cullen that.... well, Frank DeAngelis might have, he once tried to make Dylan out as being popular and cool because he attended the last prom. Most likely it was purely conjecture on his part- he took the whole Brenda Parker story at face value and used it as a blueprint to flesh out Eric's story. Unfortunately, he had the wrong blueprint.
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Min M, I think you are quite right that hindsight would have played a great part in coloring that girl's opinion of Eric. After the fact, he would have appeared evil to just about everyone who ever knew him, especially females he may have dated. I bet everyone of them has had a nightmare or two based on Eric, and all of them would originate from the picture of Eric in all his killer - psychopathic glory, the one that emerges AFTER the fact and very much NOT before. Unless he once dated Judy Brooks!

[MnM]

Uh, heh heh.... 4King's trying to convince Randy Brown to share the Tier mod with us if he has it. Let's just try to avoid any Brown-related jokes for a while, just to be safe, and keep our fingers crossed.
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[MnM]

I've been thinking about what happened between Eric and Susan DeWitt.... do they really need to have had sex to have gotten really close that night?

Maybe they just did some making out. Like she thought, "Hey, he looks kind of smexy, I like this music, people are wrong about him, school's about to end anyway, it's prom night and I'm here alone with him and I want to have some fun!"


That seems more likely than her completely putting out on a first date and she never really struck me as being slutty at all in any of the 11K. Plus she did admit to, at the very least, getting a kiss on the cheek.... sometimes when people want to hide something they admit to lesser form of what they did.

So yeah, I no longer think the two of them had sex but I'm pretty convinced they probably did some making out. If Eric had gotten laid he'd probably have at least bragged about it before the shooting.
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Yeah, MnM; I think youre right. After going over all the evidence just one more time, I think you finally got it down. There was bound to be some subterfuge in her report to the authorities whom she had sought out to tell her story of her date with Eric David Harris, mass murderer of Columbine, mere dozens of hours after the shocking calamity took place.
Officially, she said one thing; but if you read between the lines of her testimony, you can only come to but one conclusion:

Susan wasnt some kind of slut or something, but after 2 hours spent watching a gore-strewn movie of people descending into the depths of hell itself, she found herself powerfully horny. So she took Eric's hand & let him lead her into his bedroom where she coverty popped an extacy pill she had hidden in her bra & they listened to his legally bought Enya CD collection until she couldnt take it anymore; the wanton, synthesisized Celtic reverberations finally overcame her, & she ripped off her fat-trendy baby tee from Hot Topic & beckoned him over to her. "I want to ____ your ____, you smexy ______ !!1!" He ran to her & pirouetted into her arms & she exclaimed rapturously, "My God! You smell just like freshly baked banana bread!! Forget _______ and ______ & ______ __-____!, I want you to _______, right now!!!1!"
Then about 10mins later, Eric's parents came home from their usual yearly anniversary dinner celebration at the strip mall Olive Garden just around the block. They had just wanted to pop their heads in to greet the two budding lovebirds, but when Wayne saw his son manfully trying to get the heavy rubber tarp down evenly, he couldnt not lend him a hand. And things took off from there. It turned into a _____-out, ___ &_____ ____-____. Even Sparky, hearing the riotious commotion in the basement, came flying downstairs & leapt directly into the fray, fur flying. "At least i wont have to take him outside, now!", Eric exclaimed with a grin & they all laughed heartily until they ______.
Then Susan's sister paged her to come home in time for her curfew & she thanked them all for a memorable evening, jumped into her lilac Dodge Neon with the T-bar, & took off to her house 2 blocks away, which was closer to the Hollywood Video in the strip mall than the Olive Garden.

And that's the real reason Wayne Harris went to Great Clips the next day. He wanted to return Susan's ring to her. The one she left up _____ _____, when she was ____ ____ ____ __ ____, the night before.
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[MnM]

I should point out that people have a tendency to do web searches of their names from time to time.

In Columbine's case, I know a lot of names of people from there lead straight to here. (it's how we've gotten several people here before)
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[theillegitimatesonofgod]

Sparky died long before April 17th.

THEN WHO WAS PHONE?

[acrid hominid]

Susan was a liar; MnM established that.
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[MnM]

I didn't say she was an outright liar and that you can't trust anything she said. However, several others on this board pretty much agreed that if someone did sleep with Eric- or make out with them- it's highly unlikely they'd tell that to the cops to write down in a lengthy report to be made public.

Between him mentioning her in the basement tapes, her talking about how she could have loved him and her admitting to having been kissed on the cheek, I do probably think they probably did some making out. I mean, she did skip prom just to hang out with him.
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[acrid hominid]

She also knew of him since January, so it wasnt like she was hot for his rangy bod. Nothing in her testimony suggests either thing you propose. You are not only reading way into it (out of pity for Eric?), but you frame a lot of these questions about girls in madonna/wh0re terms, which is offensive.

If you want to belive Eric got some(thing at all), you should probably look back to Sasha Jacobs, who supposedly dated him 15-20x. And not, you know, once.


BTW, ... how is it possible to date someone 15-20x out of pity, like Eric claimed in that yearbook slam? Methinks someone was projecting. Or didnt realize how stupid that sounded, because he was too mad at the time he wrote it. Or both.
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[acrid hominid]

Or a 3rd consideration: he should be up for canonization along with cassie bernall & rachel scott.
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[MnM]

"You are not only reading way into it (out of pity for Eric?), but you frame a lot of these questions about girls in madonna/wh0re terms, which is offensive."


And you have a habit of framing a lot of your responses to me in an incredibly annoying, condescending, insulting, rude and arrogant fashion.

I'm not comparing these girls to the singer Madonna or to any "wh0res", and I certainly did NOT suggest the thing with Susan out of "pity for Eric." In your viewpoint if one writes about Eric without talking about him burning in hell being burned alive every few posts then that means they're virtually the equivalent of people making fanboy videos about Eric and Dylan on the internet. That doesn't mean that I'm some fanboy in a trenchcoat praying as close to the library as possible like you seem to think- I try to understand and research more objectively instead of by setting out just making impassioned attacks against them for their evil actions. That certainly does not mean I condone their actions or approve of them in any manner.

What you keep suggesting to me is very fucking annoying, much like yourself and how you've been acting to me recently.
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[catslynn]

Okay, I agree that if Susan did anything more than PG with Eric, she may have not expressed it at length with the interviewing officer. However, there is also nothing to suggest that she DID do anything more than PG with him. To assume she must've done something with him is perhaps more a comment about you than it is her (though I don't say that to be rude).

It was their first date. She didn't "skip out on Prom" to be with him; she had nothing better to do, no other dates, and he was the mature senior. Eric asked out two of her co-workers (multiple times) before he asked her out as an alternative for being alone on Prom night. Maybe he wanted to get laid, but maybe he just didn't want to feel like a total loser because he couldn't get a date for a dance when all of his friends could. She barely knew the kid. Why would we have to assume that they did something? He couldn't seal the deal with anyone before this--why would she crumble under his oh-so-charming wiles when no other girl would? Sure, we know this night to be somewhat significant, since we know he knew he was going to die soon... but she didn't know this. She may have written that nice note to him retrospectively, but again, she barely knew him--as I've said before, the letter sounds naive and romanticized. But it was probably her way of copping, to compartmentalize and rationalize that the boy she'd spent an evening with had been someone different than the boy who had just murdered 13 people.

Maybe this is just rationalizing it all away--but the fact that you CAN rationalize it all away, suggests it's just as likely that nothing happened as it is that something happened.

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[nephite]

Acrid, at the risk of making this a meta-conversation... you claim (elsewhere) that you aren't PC, but you scold people for ever using the word "faggot" under any circumstances and you get all bent out of shape when someone says a girl "doesn't seem slutty" and procede to get on a feminist high horse and cast aspersions about that person's alleged "virgin-whore" syndrome. When you make statements like these, you seem pretty PC to me. And being PC is just tiresome as hell, methinks. Hell, it was tiresome 15 years ago, much less today.
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[acrid hominid]

[nephite]

So...does this mean you're a Madonna, or a whore?
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[NamelessMuse]

People who accuse others of being PC have never been in a real arguement with a true leftist.

PC's in my opinion tend to be more centrist rather than radical honestly.
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[acrid hominid]

[acrid hominid]

Everyone, back to the topic.

Assholes who want to bring up personal gripes: Stuff it.
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[theillegitimatesonofgod]

Oh just relax. This whole argument went out the window (if it hadn't flown out of there already) when you accused him of worshipping Eric and Dylan just because he doesn't think they were irremediably insane. Both of you need to stop arguing.

[Deus Ex Machina]

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[acrid hominid]

[acrid hominid]

[Deus Ex Machina]

theillegitimatesonofgod has as much right to his/ her opinion as you do to yours.

Furthermore, I'm not a "she". Still further to that, does making a "forceful argument" translate to calling anyone who disagrees with you an idiot? If so, any "idiot" can do that.

Diagnose away, AH. Just don't act like you know it all, and then get mad when someone calls you on it.

[MnM]

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I will stop arguing with you, because it's ruining the board. I suggest we ignore each other. [/quote]

Great, because , bitch, your sum worth is less than a termite's fart.[/quote]


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